Parenting

Continued Thoughts on Discipline

Darlene Sinclair

We continue to receive questions on this important issue — important to us because we recognize the weighty responsibility and the limited resource of time. If we could experiment, trying different tactics again and again, with no loss of time, that would be one thing. But if we
are at all astute, we realize that we need to apply principles today, knowing that we will not have today again. That, my friends, can be a bit scary.

How grateful I am for the Word of God at just such times. And what a source of peace is the knowledge that He will never leave me or forsake me, that He will be my teacher, my supply of grace, and a fount of never-ending mercy! Just as He is everything I need, so He is everything my child will ever need. What cause this is for rejoicing! What a refuge for this oft-times weary heart!

So, as a pastor of mine used to say, “Don’t get down, get serious.”

It’s time to continue looking to God for His truth, putting aside carnal wisdom and accepting the pure stuff of the Word. This is no time to experiment (who can dare experiment with something as precious as your child’s heart?) At times like these I refuse to be deterred from embracing the simple words of scripture. I reject attempts to discredit the unadulterated Word. I will not allow His principles to become difficult. They were made for me for help and guidance. They were not intended to be out of reach, confusing, incomprehensible, unattainable. Through His indwelling Holy Spirit and child-like faith I can learn, apply, and succeed. So can you. Review the scriptures once again. Do not be daunted, trust Him implicitly, take His yoke, and let’s go!

Questions we’ve received:

    1. How old is too old for spankings? How young is too young?

    There are no absolutes. Leaning upon your intuition, your sense of what is good and right for this particular child, is essential. That said, I will encourage you to think beyond the cultural normative.

    A 12 month old (and maybe even younger) is capable of learning not to touch, not to bite, not to climb, etc. When they do something you don’t want them doing, clearly state the rule (”No biting.” or “No touch!”) Demonstrate the action and shake your head to establish that simple form of communication. If and when they do the unwanted action again, repeat all the above and flick the back of their hand so that there is an immediate consequence. Two or three times is usually all it takes. In time a simple shaking of your head will clue them in. Of course, there will be exceptions to this — some are stubborn, some don’t seem to comprehend, some melt into tears when you simply look at them somewhat sternly. You must learn to know them and act accordingly.

    When do children outgrow spankings? There is no magic number. We are looking to establish them in respectful obedience. Foolish behavior needs to be weeded out. If your 12-16 year old is still struggling with an issue, prayer, Bible study, and various removals of privileges should all be employed, but at some point you may feel there is a need for physical discipline. That will be up to you. Nothing in the Bible indicates an age limit. Once again, it must be preceded by instruction, dialogue, and prayer. Physical discipline is always to be done in a context of building communication and love.

    2. What if they don’t ever seem to understand?

    I will repeat here the need to be sensitive to the Spirit. Sometimes lack of comprehension is genuine; other times it is a convenient cover-up for willful disobedience.
    If your child genuinely does not understand, try other means of communicating. Act out the offense, point it out consistently. Is he learning some things but not others? Perhaps there is a deeper need being communicated. Here’s an example from my own experience.

      Our children were taught to stay on their beds at naptime and bedtime. One child, however, consistently broke this rule. She stayed on her bed when first put there, but long after the kid’s “lights out” time she would come to our room. We would put her back to bed, repeating this with a spanking. After several nights of this behavior, I woke one morning to find her sleeping on the floor outside our bedroom door. With tears in my eyes, I realized that she had a deeper need. For the next several nights I slept on the floor next to her bed holding her hand. In time, she was secure and outgrew whatever her need was.

    However, there was another situation I encountered which called for discipline when there seemingly was no comprehension. That story follows.

      A daughter had been corrected repeatedly for rolling her eyes in disrespect. It was a slight rolling of the eyes — very minimal. But I felt a need to deal with it. I would point out the infraction regularly, asking her if she understood. “I don’t know what you mean, Mama.” I would act out the offense. Still no acknowledged comprehension. After this continued for months, I went to the Lord in desperation. This was an inappropriate response to authority that I needed to see rooted out of my young daughter’s life. What to do? I felt a release to act: I would point out the infraction when it happened and even if she was unable to express a comprehension of her error, I would follow through with a spanking. I was confident that if a certain response was met with discipline each time, she would soon sort out what the negative action was and correct it. She needed one spanking and it never happened again, indicating that there was more comprehension than admitted.

    3. Both parents agree upon utilizing certain child training paradigms but notices a problem with implementation as administered by the other parent. What should they do?

    Don’t discuss it in the heat of the moment or in front of the children. Provide a united position when dealing with the child. Privately, bring up concerns or questions regarding each other’s approach. My husband and I don’t do things exactly the same, but still adhere to agreed upon principles. From time to time we suggest to one another a better way to interact in certain situations. We try to be very supportive of one another, and ultimately, if there is a difference in our opinion we may get some counsel from a trusted individual and ultimately I yield to his decision.

Children are not laboratory experiments but unique, living, changing, and growing individuals. There is no textbook anywhere that will tell you every word to say, every action to take in every situation. We need the Holy Spirit to show us how to apply the principles from the Word creatively. We also need to consider our Father’s interaction with us. He is the best example of parenting I know!

Above and beyond that, lost time, mistakes, sin, and error abound. God is not undone by this and neither should we be. Exercise faith, knowing that He is above all things, redeemer of all.He causes all things to work together for good for those who love Him. Did you think that your mistakes were not included in that great promise for your children? His love for them supercedes your failures; it even supercedes your best success!

Now that’s a promise to run with!

Discussion

4 comments for “Continued Thoughts on Discipline”

  1. Awesome! This post answered my question ~ ” 1. How old is too old for spankings? How young is too young?” It is great to hear what you believe the Bible is speaking to us on these issues! As far as dealing with babies under 1 year old, I have been given some good advice to share:
    1) Once the teeth start coming in, you can get a bite on your breast while nursing. To train your babe not to do this, just give them a quick tug on their hair. I did this to Eleora immediately after she bit me (just before her first teeth came in). She de-latched and looked up at me like I was crazy, did the same thing a couple more times in a row with me pulling her hair after each bite, and then stopped. She has only done it once or twice since that first incident.
    2) A wooden chop stick works as well as a flick on the back of the hand if you want stay away from using your hands. Chop sticks are easy to carry behind your ear or in your hair. It also does not appear as strange or unusual to guests who stop by your house compared to other “rods”.
    Thanks again for the post!

    Posted by Jen Trelease | May 23, 2008, 9:29 am
  2. Good stuff, I haven’t come to the “how old is too old” portion of discipline yet, but I know my son Gideon was quite ready to receive correction before 8 months. He was sort of a late crawler, but an early roller, he just rolled everywhere he wanted to go. As soon as he started rolling over to the “no touch zones” that we have in our house (that’s what we’ve named the shelves with decorations, the CD player, grandma’s potpourri, etc.) I started showing him the “no touch” signs, (we decided to teach him select sign language) I would just move his hand away and do the sign. After about a week of doing the sign, I could see by the way he responded to me that he understood, once he understood, we started using a small wooden spoon to spank his thigh. (We later, after some guidance from my mom, switched to the back of his hand because I don’t think he quite connected the sting on his thigh with the touching of the forbidden object.) He very quickly started obeying when we said and signed “no touch” and only every once in a while did we need to remind him that we meant what we said. As he has gotten older and started acting like a 2 year old a year early, it’s come in very handy. I am so thankful that we established the appropriate discipline during a mellow and peaceful stage, and now it’s just a matter of keeping up with him, versus trying to teach him and keep up with everything.
    Thanks so much for the encouraging topic. Sometimes it’s just easier to look away and pretend he didn’t do the “touch and run” but I know that on a long term basis teaching him to obey (and teaching him that when he does disobey, there is ALWAYS a consequence) is so much more important than me wanting to let it slide. Whether I just sat down and don’t want to get up again, we have company over, or he flashed a really cute smile at me immediately after doing the offence, I know that it’s important to stay on top of it.

    By the way, Jen, I love the chop stick idea, very discrete. :) My husband had a wooden spoon in his back pocket one day, and forgot it was there, he sat on the couch, and that was the last of our wooden spoon. :)

    Posted by Janice Leverenz | May 24, 2008, 6:04 am
  3. I’d been out of the loop on this “hot topic” here! I don’t really want to add much to it, except to say that I really don’t like the hair pulling or baby flicking advice. Little babies are not rebellious wicked creatures at the breast. They are most likely exploring new territory: “my gums hurt and it feels good when I bite down hard.” When this happens to me I usually holler (who wouldn’t!?) and if the baby is old enough I speak very strongly to him, “That hurts Mommy very much!” If the baby bites again then the nursing session is over. No flicking necessary. Usually the loud vocalization from me is enough to startle the baby into a realization that biting is no good.

    Posted by Carole | May 24, 2008, 9:57 am
  4. I was flabber-gasted (not even quite sure that’s a word or how to spell it if it is!!) to realize that at 3 months old Asher could very well be up to something! It was bath time and it was all so pleasant of an experience until the part came to dress him and put his onesie/jammies on. The screaming started, the pressure to hurry up came, basically the ‘no-fun’ part for me bath time came! And I dreaded it every time. I didn’t understand how he could be so pleasant and all of the sudden EVERY time it was ‘that’ time his demeanor and attitude would change. The thought crossed my mind “what if he is throwing a little fit, but because of how little thought it impossible??”

    Finally I decided the chances could in fact be high that he was in deed throwing a bit of a fit and I decided to simply poke him in the chest with my finger when this behavior started and say “no-no”, “mommy can dress you, stop-it”. I was AMAZED as he immediately stopped, looked at me as if he was thinking who on earth was I to tell him such things, and proceeded again to lose it. Again I did the same thing and he stopped and laid there quiet for the whole rest of the time and he never got out of control again as he had.

    The ‘full’ experience of bath time was finally enjoyable from finish to end. And I was more amazed to learn and realize “wow, he knows and understands ALOT more than I thought!” They really are smart little things!

    Great post. Gabe and I are always in discussion and making sure we’re on the same page, each in our own way, because like you said, so long as the principle remains the same.

    Posted by Renee Ockrin | May 24, 2008, 4:59 pm

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